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PostPosted: 2007-09-17 20:55:14
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Hi All,

Im looking for a BIOS image binary for an old IBM Thinkpad 310D laptop,
type 2600-2UK. Does anyone know where I could find one, or even supply me
with an image of theirs? The thinkpad support website doesnt have my model
listed, and technical support arent interested in helping unless I pay them
Ł60 first!

The BIOS on the laptop I have has developed a fault that should be rectified
by re-flashing it.

Thanks,

Mark.


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PostPosted: 2007-09-17 22:13:00
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Mark Potter wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Im looking for a BIOS image binary for an old IBM Thinkpad 310D laptop,
> type 2600-2UK. Does anyone know where I could find one, or even supply me
> with an image of theirs? The thinkpad support website doesnt have my model
> listed, and technical support arent interested in helping unless I pay them
> Ł60 first!
>
> The BIOS on the laptop I have has developed a fault that should be rectified
> by re-flashing it.
>
What is the fault, & have you read this?:-

http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/edwin/laptops/IBM/THINKPAD%20310,%20315.PDF

My experience of IBM laptops of this age is that the clock battery
(Usually a CR2032 with a special connector) being bad can cause error
messages relating to all sorts of oddities. My first check is always the
voltage of this battery which should be about 3 volts.

The BIOS is flashed by using a boot floppy, so unless youve already
unsoldered the BIOS from the motherboard, youd be better off finding
one of those.

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Tciao for Now!

John.


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PostPosted: 2007-09-17 22:22:18
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Mark Potter wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Im looking for a BIOS image binary for an old IBM Thinkpad 310D laptop,
> type 2600-2UK. Does anyone know where I could find one, or even supply me
> with an image of theirs? The thinkpad support website doesnt have my model
> listed, and technical support arent interested in helping unless I pay them
> Ł60 first!
>
> The BIOS on the laptop I have has developed a fault that should be rectified
> by re-flashing it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark.
>
>
Me again. Try the sypta124.exe link on this page to get the boot floppy
generator:-

http://greyghost.dyndns.org/pccbbs/mobiles/

Its quite a way down the page.

Download the .exe, check it for viruses as normal, then run it with a
blank floppy in the 3.5 inch floppy drive. It will generate the BIOS
flashing boot disc, & has a copy of the binary code on the disc.

I really must stop fiddling around with old laptops...;-)

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Tciao for Now!

John.


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PostPosted: 2007-09-18 08:11:24
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John Williamson wrote:
> Mark Potter wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Im looking for a BIOS image binary for an old IBM Thinkpad 310D
>> laptop, type 2600-2UK. Does anyone know where I could find one, or
>> even supply me with an image of theirs? The thinkpad support website
>> doesnt have my model listed, and technical support arent interested
>> in helping unless I pay them Ł60 first!
>>
>> The BIOS on the laptop I have has developed a fault that should be
>> rectified by re-flashing it.
>>
> What is the fault, & have you read this?:-
>
> http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/edwin/laptops/IBM/THINKPAD%20310,%20315.PDF
>
> My experience of IBM laptops of this age is that the clock battery
> (Usually a CR2032 with a special connector) being bad can cause error
> messages relating to all sorts of oddities. My first check is always the
> voltage of this battery which should be about 3 volts.
>
> The BIOS is flashed by using a boot floppy, so unless youve already
> unsoldered the BIOS from the motherboard, youd be better off finding
> one of those.
>
Hi John and thanks for both messages,

The fault is that:-
a) It doesnt hold its BIOS settings (easy)
b) When you go in to change BIOS settings the BIOS software crashes!

Pretty sure (b) is a flashable offence, but Im going to change the
battery and clear the CMOS first just in case there is some oddity about
how they work.

Ive got a *slight* further complication, that is I dont have a FDD for
the laptop - its an external add on that didnt come with it! I was
planning on using its current OS (98) to boot to a dos prompt and
re-install from there... when Ive got it working that is!

The unit is destined to become an ethernet<>usb bridge for my Topfield
5800 PVR, with the addition of a PCMIA USB and Ethernet card...

...Either that or its original role as a doorstop.

Cheers,

Mark.


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PostPosted: 2007-09-18 08:20:22
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Mark Potter wrote:
> John Williamson wrote:
>> Mark Potter wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Im looking for a BIOS image binary for an old IBM Thinkpad 310D
>>> laptop, type 2600-2UK. Does anyone know where I could find one, or
>>> even supply me with an image of theirs? The thinkpad support
>>> website doesnt have my model listed, and technical support arent
>>> interested in helping unless I pay them Ł60 first!
>>>
>>> The BIOS on the laptop I have has developed a fault that should be
>>> rectified by re-flashing it.
>>>
>> What is the fault, & have you read this?:-
>>
>> http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/edwin/laptops/IBM/THINKPAD%20310,%20315.PDF
>>
>> My experience of IBM laptops of this age is that the clock battery
>> (Usually a CR2032 with a special connector) being bad can cause error
>> messages relating to all sorts of oddities. My first check is always
>> the voltage of this battery which should be about 3 volts.
>>
>> The BIOS is flashed by using a boot floppy, so unless youve already
>> unsoldered the BIOS from the motherboard, youd be better off finding
>> one of those.
>>
> Hi John and thanks for both messages,
>
> The fault is that:-
> a) It doesnt hold its BIOS settings (easy)
> b) When you go in to change BIOS settings the BIOS software crashes!
>
> Pretty sure (b) is a flashable offence, but Im going to change the
> battery and clear the CMOS first just in case there is some oddity
> about how they work.
>
> Ive got a *slight* further complication, that is I dont have a FDD
> for the laptop - its an external add on that didnt come with it! I
> was planning on using its current OS (98) to boot to a dos prompt and
> re-install from there... when Ive got it working that is!
>
> The unit is destined to become an ethernet<>usb bridge for my Topfield
> 5800 PVR, with the addition of a PCMIA USB and Ethernet card...
>
> ...Either that or its original role as a doorstop.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark.

You could pick up a floppy drive on Ebay with a little luck. They were
virtually all the same physical interface on these early Thinkpads.


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PostPosted: 2007-09-18 09:53:45
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Mark Potter wrote:

> Hi John and thanks for both messages,
>
> The fault is that:-
> a) It doesnt hold its BIOS settings (easy)
> b) When you go in to change BIOS settings the BIOS software crashes!
>
> Pretty sure (b) is a flashable offence, but Im going to change the
> battery and clear the CMOS first just in case there is some oddity about
> how they work.
>
It may well clear the problem, IME. It takes summat quite nasty to upset
the BIOS. In fact, in 15+ years of messing about with laptops, Ive
never known a defective BIOS. Others will have, of course....
Most of the computers of that age hold the BIOS settings in the CMOS
clock chip memory, so a bad clock backup battery can corrupt all sorts
of things. You *may* be able to get away with just disconnecting all the
power while removing the CMOS battery for 30 seconds, or follow the
procedure in the IBM manual I sent you the URL for. At least the
batterys not soldered onto the motherboard on this one.

> Ive got a *slight* further complication, that is I dont have a FDD for
> the laptop - its an external add on that didnt come with it! I was
> planning on using its current OS (98) to boot to a dos prompt and
> re-install from there... when Ive got it working that is!
>
The problem here is that the BIOS flashing program rewrites the code
that controls the IDE interface, so you cant boot from IDE to do it. In
fact, the boot floppy isnt even DOS, but has its own OS code.

Sometimes, the floppy drive comes up on fleabay, or there are computer
breakers who may have them. You may also find that the floppy for any
ultrabay fitted Thinkpad *may* fit. (From memory, the 760 used the same
floppy connector, but ICBW)

> The unit is destined to become an ethernet<>usb bridge for my Topfield
> 5800 PVR, with the addition of a PCMIA USB and Ethernet card...
>
> ...Either that or its original role as a doorstop.

Good luck with getting it working.

Depending where you are, I have a Thinkpad 760 with all the bits & a
virtually dead display sitting round doing nothing.

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Tciao for Now!

John.


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PostPosted: 2007-09-21 08:17:41
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John Williamson wrote:
> Mark Potter wrote:
>
>> Hi John and thanks for both messages,
>>
>> The fault is that:-
>> a) It doesnt hold its BIOS settings (easy)
>> b) When you go in to change BIOS settings the BIOS software crashes!
>>
>> Pretty sure (b) is a flashable offence, but Im going to change the
>> battery and clear the CMOS first just in case there is some oddity
>> about how they work.
>>
> It may well clear the problem, IME. It takes summat quite nasty to upset
> the BIOS. In fact, in 15+ years of messing about with laptops, Ive
> never known a defective BIOS. Others will have, of course....
> Most of the computers of that age hold the BIOS settings in the CMOS
> clock chip memory, so a bad clock backup battery can corrupt all sorts
> of things. You *may* be able to get away with just disconnecting all the
> power while removing the CMOS battery for 30 seconds, or follow the
> procedure in the IBM manual I sent you the URL for. At least the
> batterys not soldered onto the motherboard on this one.
>
>> Ive got a *slight* further complication, that is I dont have a FDD
>> for the laptop - its an external add on that didnt come with it! I
>> was planning on using its current OS (98) to boot to a dos prompt and
>> re-install from there... when Ive got it working that is!
>>
> The problem here is that the BIOS flashing program rewrites the code
> that controls the IDE interface, so you cant boot from IDE to do it. In
> fact, the boot floppy isnt even DOS, but has its own OS code.
>
> Sometimes, the floppy drive comes up on fleabay, or there are computer
> breakers who may have them. You may also find that the floppy for any
> ultrabay fitted Thinkpad *may* fit. (From memory, the 760 used the same
> floppy connector, but ICBW)
>
>> The unit is destined to become an ethernet<>usb bridge for my Topfield
>> 5800 PVR, with the addition of a PCMIA USB and Ethernet card...
>>
>> ...Either that or its original role as a doorstop.
>
> Good luck with getting it working.
>
> Depending where you are, I have a Thinkpad 760 with all the bits & a
> virtually dead display sitting round doing nothing.
>
Hmm...

Taken the thing apart to get to the battery - you litterally have to
remove EVERYTHING. Its at 0.8v... just enough to turn on a junction
but probably not right!

Ill look for a replacement sometime, meanwhile I live down in Kent,
near Maidstone - where abouts are you?

I think Ill end up resigning this lappy to silicon heaven because Im
not sure I can be bothered sticking it all back together again! You
wouldnt believe the number of different sized screws.


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PostPosted: 2007-09-21 12:12:43
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Mark Potter wrote:
> Hmm...
>
> Taken the thing apart to get to the battery - you litterally have to
> remove EVERYTHING. Its at 0.8v... just enough to turn on a junction
> but probably not right!
>
Thatll more than likely be the problem, it should be around the 3 volt
mark with just the meter load on it. Its a standard type you can buy
from a lot of stores, though. Jessops comes to mind, if youve got one
in town, or any computer store should have or be able to get one. They
normally last 5 years, give or take a couple, depending on how much its
used & how often the main battery goes flat. At least youve mnot got to
solder one onto the main board, as I did on a Fujistu a while back:-/

> Ill look for a replacement sometime, meanwhile I live down in Kent,
> near Maidstone - where abouts are you?
>
Im in Stoke on Trent most (as in about 51%)of the time. I should be
passing through Maidstone services at some ungodly hour on the 1st of
October, though.

> I think Ill end up resigning this lappy to silicon heaven because Im
> not sure I can be bothered sticking it all back together again! You
> wouldnt believe the number of different sized screws.

I would;-)
IIRC, they also used different threads on some same size screws, just to
make life interesting.

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