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 Post subject: VIA P3 1ghz based laptop
PostPosted: 2007-03-20 20:27:28
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Has anyone had any experience with VIA cPU based laptops?

A friend rang asking how they perform compared to say a 1.3 ghz celeron
M, and as Ive no experience with recent VIA stuff, I couldnt oblige.

VIA used to be bad news.

Apparently the latest VIA stuff is much improved to the point that I
believe I read that Bill Gates is using it as the basis for the world
$100 tablet PC (the lime green crank the handle thing) for
under-developed countries.

The friends model in question is a MercuryIT G320 which is sold in
Australia, India and I think possibly UK.

I imagine it should drive a DVD player and run XP based applications
quite OK for the sort of stuff most baseline users do.

Any info appreciated

Cheers

Rob

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 Post subject: VIA P3 1ghz based laptop
PostPosted: 2007-03-20 14:10:17
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On 2007-03-20, me here wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience with VIA cPU based laptops?
>
> A friend rang asking how they perform compared to say a 1.3 ghz celeron
> M, and as Ive no experience with recent VIA stuff, I couldnt oblige.
>
> VIA used to be bad news.

Thats news to me.

> Apparently the latest VIA stuff is much improved to the point that I
> believe I read that Bill Gates is using it as the basis for the world
> $100 tablet PC (the lime green crank the handle thing) for
> under-developed countries.

If you are thinking of the One Laptop per Child project, that has
nothing at all to do with Bill Gates or Microsoft - and wont be running
their software. <http://laptop.org/index.shtml> (What I think Ive read
is that BG is opposed to the project and even willing to try to kill it -
the last thing he wants is a whole generation around the world growing up
familiar with FOSS software).

> The friends model in question is a MercuryIT G320 which is sold in
> Australia, India and I think possibly UK.

Ive never encountered that brand here in the UK - but Via certainly make
the innards for a number of commercial machines on sale over here.

> I imagine it should drive a DVD player and run XP based applications
> quite OK for the sort of stuff most baseline users do.
>
> Any info appreciated
>
> Cheers
>
> Rob

Perhaps these links will be of interest <http://www.cpushack.net/VIA.html>
<http://www.via.com.tw/en/index.jsp>

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 Post subject: VIA P3 1ghz based laptop
PostPosted: 2007-03-21 11:16:05
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Whiskers wrote:

> On 2007-03-20, me here wrote:
> > Has anyone had any experience with VIA cPU based laptops?
> >
> > A friend rang asking how they perform compared to say a 1.3 ghz
> > celeron M, and as Ive no experience with recent VIA stuff, I
> > couldnt oblige.
> >
> > VIA used to be bad news.
>
> Thats news to me.
>
> > Apparently the latest VIA stuff is much improved to the point that I
> > believe I read that Bill Gates is using it as the basis for the
> > world $100 tablet PC (the lime green crank the handle thing) for
> > under-developed countries.
>
> If you are thinking of the One Laptop per Child project, that has
> nothing at all to do with Bill Gates or Microsoft - and wont be
> running their software. <http://laptop.org/index.shtml> (What I
> think Ive read is that BG is opposed to the project and even willing
> to try to kill it - the last thing he wants is a whole generation
> around the world growing up familiar with FOSS software).
>
> > The friends model in question is a MercuryIT G320 which is sold in
> > Australia, India and I think possibly UK.
>
> Ive never encountered that brand here in the UK - but Via certainly
> make the innards for a number of commercial machines on sale over
> here.
>
> > I imagine it should drive a DVD player and run XP based applications
> > quite OK for the sort of stuff most baseline users do.
> >
> > Any info appreciated
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Rob
>
> Perhaps these links will be of interest
> <http://www.cpushack.net/VIA.html>
> <http://www.via.com.tw/en/index.jsp>

Ok cleared that up.

But is a 1 gig VIA P3 with 133 fsb significantly better than an Intel
P3 with 133 fsb?

Rob

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 Post subject: VIA P3 1ghz based laptop
PostPosted: 2007-03-21 11:13:25
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In article news:, Me here wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience with VIA cPU based laptops?
>
> A friend rang asking how they perform compared to say a 1.3 ghz celeron
> M, and as Ive no experience with recent VIA stuff, I couldnt oblige.

I have a /desktop/ PC with a VIA CPU. No experience with VIA in a laptop.

The VIA CPUs have very low energy requirements and so should suit mobile
applications quite well, but are not the fastest things in the world. Most
have only 64k of level 2 cache and can use only a single-channel memory bus
which -- taken together -- does make them relatively slow for very
memory-intensive applications. Whether theyre fast /enough/ depends what
you want to do. My 1GHz VIA C3 runs a linux desktop and drives a freeview
TV card acceptable well. Its fast enough for most normal desktop
operations, but it takes an absolute age to rebuild the system (this is
Gentoo linux, so everything is compiled from source).

> VIA used to be bad news.

There were some VIA support chipsets for intel and AMD processors that were
a bit disappointing. Their newer stuff is fine and their CPUs are brilliant
if you want low power consumption - the VIA CPU business has its roots in
Cyrix, whose CPUs used to be as respected as AMDs as alternatives to
intel.

> Apparently the latest VIA stuff is much improved to the point that I
> believe I read that Bill Gates is using it as the basis for the world
> $100 tablet PC (the lime green crank the handle thing) for
> under-developed countries.

Thats the One Laptop Per Child project ... NOT run by Bill Gates
(indeed, free software is very important to the project, and it will
probably end up running some form of linux).

See http://www.laptop.org

> The friends model in question is a MercuryIT G320 which is sold in
> Australia, India and I think possibly UK.
>
> I imagine it should drive a DVD player and run XP based applications
> quite OK for the sort of stuff most baseline users do.

That machine is apparently sold with XP and has a DVD drive, so I imagine
it can do all the basic stuff without any trouble, yes.

Cheers,
Daniel.


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 Post subject: VIA P3 1ghz based laptop
PostPosted: 2007-03-21 11:48:34
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On 2007-03-21, me here wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>> On 2007-03-20, me here wrote:

snip

> But is a 1 gig VIA P3 with 133 fsb significantly better than an Intel
> P3 with 133 fsb?
>
> Rob

Better for what?

Via CPUs are usually preferred for systems where it is desired to keep
electricity consumption and/or waste heat to a minimum rather than get the
most speed. Some of them can be operated with no cooling fans.

I suggest that you read the information on the various CPU makers web
sites.

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 Post subject: VIA P3 1ghz based laptop
PostPosted: 2007-03-21 11:48:34
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On 2007-03-21, me here wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>> On 2007-03-20, me here wrote:

snip

> But is a 1 gig VIA P3 with 133 fsb significantly better than an Intel
> P3 with 133 fsb?
>
> Rob

Better for what?

Via CPUs are usually preferred for systems where it is desired to keep
electricity consumption and/or waste heat to a minimum rather than get the
most speed. Some of them can be operated with no cooling fans.

I suggest that you read the information on the various CPU makers web
sites.

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 Post subject: VIA P3 1ghz based laptop
PostPosted: 2007-03-21 13:09:08
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On 2007-03-21, Daniel James wrote:
> In article news:, Me here wrote:

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> There were some VIA support chipsets for intel and AMD processors that were
> a bit disappointing. Their newer stuff is fine and their CPUs are brilliant
> if you want low power consumption - the VIA CPU business has its roots in
> Cyrix, whose CPUs used to be as respected as AMDs as alternatives to
> intel.

snip

I think my first IBM PC clone had a Cyrix CPU.

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 Post subject: VIA P3 1ghz based laptop
PostPosted: 2007-03-22 14:54:50
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Daniel James wrote:

> In article news:, Me here wrote:
> > Has anyone had any experience with VIA cPU based laptops?
> >
> > A friend rang asking how they perform compared to say a 1.3 ghz
> > celeron M, and as Ive no experience with recent VIA stuff, I
> > couldnt oblige.
>
> I have a desktop PC with a VIA CPU. No experience with VIA in a
> laptop.
>
> The VIA CPUs have very low energy requirements and so should suit
> mobile applications quite well, but are not the fastest things in the
> world. Most have only 64k of level 2 cache and can use only a
> single-channel memory bus which -- taken together -- does make them
> relatively slow for very memory-intensive applications. Whether
> theyre fast enough depends what you want to do. My 1GHz VIA C3 runs
> a linux desktop and drives a freeview TV card acceptable well. Its
> fast enough for most normal desktop operations, but it takes an
> absolute age to rebuild the system (this is Gentoo linux, so
> everything is compiled from source).
>
> > VIA used to be bad news.
>
> There were some VIA support chipsets for intel and AMD processors
> that were a bit disappointing. Their newer stuff is fine and their
> CPUs are brilliant if you want low power consumption - the VIA CPU
> business has its roots in Cyrix, whose CPUs used to be as respected
> as AMDs as alternatives to intel.
>
> > Apparently the latest VIA stuff is much improved to the point that I
> > believe I read that Bill Gates is using it as the basis for the
> > world $100 tablet PC (the lime green crank the handle thing) for
> > under-developed countries.
>
> Thats the One Laptop Per Child project ... NOT run by Bill Gates
> (indeed, free software is very important to the project, and it will
> probably end up running some form of linux).
>
> See http://www.laptop.org
>
> > The friends model in question is a MercuryIT G320 which is sold in
> > Australia, India and I think possibly UK.
> >
> > I imagine it should drive a DVD player and run XP based applications
> > quite OK for the sort of stuff most baseline users do.
>
> That machine is apparently sold with XP and has a DVD drive, so I
> imagine it can do all the basic stuff without any trouble, yes.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
>

Thanks Daniel,

I thought it would be OK for what the friend wanted to do, but was
interested to see what users thought of the VIA processor.

The stuff I read on them suggested the coprocessor side was pretty good
and they were a good bang per buck.

Unfortunately it appears benefits from the low power consumption in
this unit are compromised by the unit only having a small battery pack
:-(

On digging deeper it appears that the G320 is rebadged and sold by a
lot of vendors worldwide, including PCChips in the USA.

The whole CPU speed thing is getting a bit ovedone for the average user
with basic requirements.

At work I had a 1ghz P3 Intel which did everything I wanted, including
run all the background Dept and network security paranoia quite happily
and when they replaced it with a 2.8 P4 at the 3 year changeover, there
wasnt a great deal of difference to be noticed - for office apps and
the like anyway.

Cheers all

Rob


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